Crickets....
06-17-2020, 12:06 PM
#51
At this point, until the FAA posts it's Final Rule, there's nothing on that front to discuss.
I will say this; unless the FAA adds a reasonable RID solution for 'legacy' model aircraft, I'll be delivering most of my fleet to the local FSDO, along with an invoice for the loss incurred.
R_Strowe
I will say this; unless the FAA adds a reasonable RID solution for 'legacy' model aircraft, I'll be delivering most of my fleet to the local FSDO, along with an invoice for the loss incurred.
R_Strowe
06-17-2020, 05:06 PM
#53
I may have taken the whole "crickets" thing wrong. Yes it has been quite around here, in this forum topic, but I took it as a comment on the site as a whole. At least in the airplane and heli forums there seem to be very few posts. I've tried to respond in other areas but really nothing seems to be happening here in general. This really is a well organized forum site.
06-18-2020, 03:15 AM
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I may have taken the whole "crickets" thing wrong. Yes it has been quite around here, in this forum topic, but I took it as a comment on the site as a whole. At least in the airplane and heli forums there seem to be very few posts. I've tried to respond in other areas but really nothing seems to be happening here in general. This really is a well organized forum site.
Mike
06-19-2020, 05:26 AM
#55
Here, I'll ask two questions...
Does anyone else think the AMA's NATS push has an air of desperation about it? I submit the following as evidence:
What happens to AMA if NPRM gets published largely as written? ... Do they take a more engaged role in clubs, perhaps buying much more sites outright, if nothing else to preserve flying sites?
Does anyone else think the AMA's NATS push has an air of desperation about it? I submit the following as evidence:
- Extended deadline
- No fees for first timers (i.e. not enough repeats to make it profitable)
- Major host groups cancelled participation, but AMA says (paraphrased) "not cancelling the events themselves"
- No fees for first timers (i.e. not enough repeats to make it profitable)
- Major host groups cancelled participation, but AMA says (paraphrased) "not cancelling the events themselves"
What happens to AMA if NPRM gets published largely as written? ... Do they take a more engaged role in clubs, perhaps buying much more sites outright, if nothing else to preserve flying sites?
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06-20-2020, 09:33 AM
#56
Again not being an AMA member in good standing how do you expect to have or work towards goals of the AMA except to ride someone’s coat tails. That’s not a troll but it might well be a parasite LOL.
06-20-2020, 10:10 AM
#57
Actually, that is what happens when the, "good ole boy club" members have been backed into a corner with the facts and asked direct questions that they know if they answer will prove them to be the hypocrites that they are. Go back and check the history of these threads, they always go silent when the trolls are backed into a corner. Quite interesting, really!.
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I for instance have been flying my fleet and working on others waiting paitently until the border opens and again I can travel to the good ol USA to fly with friends. I have contacted many and they are having no problem with their fields. I flew at Deland a few years ago and as far as I know they are still active at the end of one of the inactive runways at the airport. I don’t imagine they are the only club flying from airport property or next to it.
In Canada there are more than a few in the same position flying from airport property or next too without problem. I believe there are several clubs located on military or next to military air bases.
Here, I'll ask two questions...
Does anyone else think the AMA's NATS push has an air of desperation about it? I submit the following as evidence:
-Extended deadline
- No fees for first timers (i.e. not enough repeats to make it profitable)
- Major host groups cancelled participation, but AMA says (paraphrased) "not cancelling the events themselves"
Does anyone else think the AMA's NATS push has an air of desperation about it? I submit the following as evidence:
-Extended deadline
- No fees for first timers (i.e. not enough repeats to make it profitable)
- Major host groups cancelled participation, but AMA says (paraphrased) "not cancelling the events themselves"
Now I have Sat, Sun and Monday off and its hot I need to install my AC in the garage, finish getting my camper and toy trailer ready to roll. Hardly backed into a corner just busier than a one legged man at an azz kicking contest. If I have time I may check in on this little cloister later.LOL
06-20-2020, 01:38 PM
#59
The extended deadline should be self-evident.
As for this
If a SIG withdraws there will be no NATS for that segment. They may host an event in that time slot with an alternate CD or whatever, but that will not be a NAT event.
As for this
- Major host groups cancelled participation, but AMA says (paraphrased) "not cancelling the events themselves"
06-20-2020, 01:44 PM
#60
Please correct me if I’m wrong but you’re not even an AMA member so when you say “our money” who’s coat tails are you riding?
I'm not riding anyone's coat tails. Since I won't ever go to Muncie, I can't see funding it. Now, if the AMA were to start being fiscally smart, I might join but, since they're not, my refusing to join should tell those that are members that Muncie needs to start thinking before they spend. Seems pretty simple to me, I don't pay for things I won't use so give me something worth paying for and I might.
This is exactly what they are doing. I find information before I travel in the USA on clubs along my route and make contact with the same. I ask any questions pertaining to flying in the USA and usually receive a reply in 24 hours. I don’t have need of AMA insurance but those members who fly in Canada have the same coverage they enjoy in the USA and it’s adequate.
Funding a museum, a store and a flying field isn't what the AMA was founded to do, hence my post. They need to cut the dead wood if they want to survive, something they either can't or won't do. Again, I won't pay for things that I won't use so why spend my money to fund Muncie?
This in the end may indeed be the answer for the AMA survival attempting to be all things to all people often results in pleasing no one. Most non members insist they want nothing to do with following AMA rules/guidelines so why bother attempting engaging with them. Protect and endorse the paid membership and work towards a carve out for the members only. MAAC did just that in Canada during the time Transport Canada drafted the rules for all RPAS in Canada MAAC was busy lobbying on behalf of its 12,000 or so members to get a carve out that allows us to fly as we always have and those that wish to fly on their own have to fly under the rules of Transport Canada. I think the big mistake was the AMA attempting to be all things to all fliers.
This is the one thing I think we can agree on, but for the AMA it may be too late. It's lost its credibility with many flyers, as well as with the FAA and Congress. What the powers that be need to do is start working on getting its credibility and trust re-established with those that don't believe what they are being told and, if they can do that, the organization might survive. If they can't, they need to throw in the towel now before they drag the hobby down with them
Again not being an AMA member in good standing how do you expect to have or work towards goals of the AMA except to ride someone’s coat tails. That’s not a troll but it might well be a parasite LOL.
I'm not riding anyone's coat tails. Since I won't ever go to Muncie, I can't see funding it. Now, if the AMA were to start being fiscally smart, I might join but, since they're not, my refusing to join should tell those that are members that Muncie needs to start thinking before they spend. Seems pretty simple to me, I don't pay for things I won't use so give me something worth paying for and I might.
This is exactly what they are doing. I find information before I travel in the USA on clubs along my route and make contact with the same. I ask any questions pertaining to flying in the USA and usually receive a reply in 24 hours. I don’t have need of AMA insurance but those members who fly in Canada have the same coverage they enjoy in the USA and it’s adequate.
Funding a museum, a store and a flying field isn't what the AMA was founded to do, hence my post. They need to cut the dead wood if they want to survive, something they either can't or won't do. Again, I won't pay for things that I won't use so why spend my money to fund Muncie?
This in the end may indeed be the answer for the AMA survival attempting to be all things to all people often results in pleasing no one. Most non members insist they want nothing to do with following AMA rules/guidelines so why bother attempting engaging with them. Protect and endorse the paid membership and work towards a carve out for the members only. MAAC did just that in Canada during the time Transport Canada drafted the rules for all RPAS in Canada MAAC was busy lobbying on behalf of its 12,000 or so members to get a carve out that allows us to fly as we always have and those that wish to fly on their own have to fly under the rules of Transport Canada. I think the big mistake was the AMA attempting to be all things to all fliers.
This is the one thing I think we can agree on, but for the AMA it may be too late. It's lost its credibility with many flyers, as well as with the FAA and Congress. What the powers that be need to do is start working on getting its credibility and trust re-established with those that don't believe what they are being told and, if they can do that, the organization might survive. If they can't, they need to throw in the towel now before they drag the hobby down with them
Again not being an AMA member in good standing how do you expect to have or work towards goals of the AMA except to ride someone’s coat tails. That’s not a troll but it might well be a parasite LOL.
06-21-2020, 05:41 AM
#61
Yep! Any nameless person on the internet that will anonymously judge me as a " lawbreaker " for flying over 400' yet be in attendance at an event and witnessing the same thing and say/do nothing about it.......well you get my point. I guess it's easier to hold onto your convictions on the internet when there is no accountability. BTW, currently loading up and will be participating in another sailplane contest in a couple hours. Pretty sure that will create all sorts of assumptions with a good dose of name calling.
06-21-2020, 06:51 AM
#62
Well, let's look at the facts....If you fly over 400' you ARE a lawbreaker! (unless you have some sort of exemption, of course). Not sure what the nameless person on the internet has to do with anything, that is just your ludicrous justification for your actions that do not serve the rest of the AMA membership very well.
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
LOL yet be in attendance at an event and witnessing the same thing and say/do nothing about it
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
well you get my point. I guess it's easier to hold onto your convictions on the internet when there is no accountability.
No, I don't get your point. Your posts are absolute gibberish that only make sense in your head to justify your actions that are completely unjustifiable!
Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
Pretty sure that will create all sorts of assumptions with a good dose of name calling.
06-21-2020, 07:53 AM
#63
And waiving of fees does first timers? Could it be that participation is falling?
As for this
So it’s a no different than any event held anywhere else in the country then? Holding “Not NAT” events at the NATS, AFTER the SIGs cancel, sure has a ring of desperation
As for this
06-21-2020, 07:55 AM
#64
Yep! Any nameless person on the internet that will anonymously judge me as a " lawbreaker " for flying over 400' yet be in attendance at an event and witnessing the same thing and say/do nothing about it.......well you get my point. I guess it's easier to hold onto your convictions on the internet when there is no accountability. BTW, currently loading up and will be participating in another sailplane contest in a couple hours. Pretty sure that will create all sorts of assumptions with a good dose of name calling.
Unless of course you’re going to argue that law breaking is not a problem.
06-21-2020, 09:31 AM
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Cv-19 was a game changer this year. Not a good year to gauge anything. I think next year will be the determining factor to see if the NAT's are worth having.
Mike
06-22-2020, 06:59 AM
#68
Understood. But if I recall correctly, they waived fees for first timers well before Covid hit. Which if true would indicate to me declining attendance.
06-22-2020, 07:03 AM
#69
All for “Non-NATS” events, held at the NATS, even after the SIGs sponsoring the NATS events - canceled them.
06-23-2020, 01:43 AM
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06-26-2020, 08:30 AM
#75
Actually, I didn't. It was just you showing how big of __________ you can be. Feel free to fill in the blank with anything you like, I would probably be censured with what I'd fill it in with
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